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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 11, 2011 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: new potato..

Interesting responses...
It's a weird situation: some people (like me) when they hear this bass solo, go "I know I heard that before!" And other people who do listen to a lot of classical say "nope, never heard it."
It's not even close to the Minute Waltz; that was someone's bad guess! I didn't think it was that much like Chopsticks either.
It's possible we're barking up the wrong tree and it was music from some cartoon or TV show... After all, didn't Phil nab "Stronger than Dirt" from an Ajax commercial?

According to an interesting note on this lyrics site -
http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/intro.htm
Hank Harrison wrote in his "Dead Book" that Stronger than Dirt "was an allusion to an Ajax scouring powder commercial of the day. Phil has mentioned that he often heard classical riffs in commercials and this is probably one of them."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 11, 2011 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

That's funny. The bass riff does sound like it, kinda. So does Help on the Way, actually. (Help on the Way! Ajax! It's Stronger than Dirt!)

Ajax commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFZK5VkQes4

The riff is pretty clear around 2:07 (of King Solomon's Marbles):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-09-28.mtx.seamons.102155.sbeok.flac16


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Poster: capsgd Date: Dec 11, 2011 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

I think there may also be a Doors song ending
that has that dun dun du du

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 12, 2011 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

"Touch Me" is the song.

I love the Doors, but that song is one of their least notable imo, despite it being one of their biggest hit songs. Jim despised singing that song, and I really don't blame him. The songs that Jim wrote were poetic and beautiful. Touch Me was Krieger's cheesy attempt at a hit single.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbeep* Date: Dec 11, 2011 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

There does seem to be a genetic resemblance.
Good grief! GD songs based on (gasp!) jingles!
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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 11, 2011 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ajax, Stronger Than Dirt

If you're a musician and inclined to improvise, I'd guess things just pop into your head from wherever. And unlike so many other musicians, they've been pretty frank about grabbing riffs or ideas from all kinds of sources. Phil always said Passenger was just a version of that Fleetwood Mac song. There seem to be lots of quotes where someone will say, "Yeah, it's basically just a version of (fill in the blank)." No once can ever accuse the Dead of plagiarism, cuz they've always accused themselves first! With this one, I'm guessing the name is an in-joke reference to the Ajax jingle -- whether it was knowingly sticking in the riff or joking that it sounded like it or some combination thereof. Now, as for the source of "Milking the Turkey" ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-12-12 03:57:49